Podcast 402: Bence Jendruszak of SEON

Fraud prevention instruments are a necessary instrument for each firm in monetary providers. Fraud makes an attempt proceed to get extra subtle however fortunately the fraud prevention instruments proceed to evolve as properly to the purpose the place firms ought to take into consideration creating an entire anti-fraud tech stack.

My subsequent visitor on the Fintech One-on-One Podcast is Bence Jendruszak. the COO and Co-Founding father of SEON. They’re probably the most fascinating firms within the fraud prevention area as they offer away their fraud instruments without spending a dime on their web site. We speak about why they do this and rather more on this interview.

On this podcast you’ll study:

• The founding story of SEON.
• The sorts of fraud that fintech firms should be centered on immediately.
• How they can detect fraud.
• Why they offer away their fraud detection merchandise without spending a dime on their web site.
• Why they use and gather solely publicly accessible data.
• How they consider fraudsters reverse engineering their instruments.
• How they’ll differentiate between an artificial and an actual identification.
• An evidence of account takeover fraud.
• A number of the firms which are utilizing SEON.
• How SEON makes cash.
• The place we’re at immediately within the battle with fraudsters.
• What knowledge or rating they’re offering again to their clients.
• Why fraud makes an attempt enhance throughout the financial downturns.
• What’s on faucet for SEON in 2023.

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FINTECH ONE-ON-ONE PODCAST NO. 402-BENCE JENDRUSZAK

Welcome to the Fintech One-on-One Podcast, Episode No. 402. That is your host, Peter Renton, Chairman and Co-Founding father of Fintech Nexus.

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Peter Renton: In the present day on the present, I’m delighted to welcome Bence Jendruszak, he’s the COO & Co-Founding father of SEON. Now, SEON is all about preventing fraud and so they have a really subtle system, we speak about the best way their system works, how they can catch so many fraudsters, we speak concerning the several types of frauds, artificial fraud, account takeover fraud and others. We speak concerning the completely different fintech firms which are utilizing SEON immediately, we speak about the concept they offer away there, a few of their fraud instruments without spending a dime. You may really go to their web site and begin utilizing them proper now, we speak concerning the philosophy behind that, we speak about the place we’re within the battle with fraudsters, whether or not we’re successful, how that’s all going and we speak about what would possibly occur in a downturn and rather more. It was a captivating dialogue, hope you benefit from the present.

Welcome to the podcast, Bence!

Bence Jendruszak: Thanks for having me, Peter, it’s a pleasure to be right here.

Peter: Alright, nice to have you ever. So, let’s get began by giving the listeners just a little little bit of background. I do know that you just’re initially from, is it Budapest?

Bence: I’m from Hungary, yeah, I dwell in Budapest really, initially, yeah, I’m from Hungary.

Peter: Okay. Inform us just a little bit about kind of your story  and just a little little bit of your background.

Bence: Effectively, I say I’m from Hungary, however really I don’t essentially consider it as a house per se as a result of once I was rising up we lived in a bunch of locations, in a bunch of nations. We lived in Romania, in Russia, in Kazakhstan. All throughout my major and center college years, I used to be dwelling all over the place after which we moved again to Hungary and began college there and I met my Co-Founder, Tamas, and we have been each crypto lovers, this was again when cryptos have been nowhere close to as widespread as they’re immediately. 

We really began constructing a crypto alternate and we confronted a bunch of frauds so folks have been testing with stolen credentials and stolen identities after we began accepting bank card funds. We realized how massive of a difficulty fraud is, that was our first contact level with fraud really and after we seemed on the fraud prevention area there have been all these suppliers on the market, however they have been all aiming for an enterprise gross sales movement, having to take a seat by a number of discovery and gross sales calls, confronted with complicated pricing buildings, complicated integration processes. We felt like we weren’t their ultimate buyer profile at that cut-off date so we stated, okay, properly our solely choice appears to be if we construct our personal instrument in-house like a horrible MVP in-house and hopefully that’s going to resolve our situation on the brief time period for now. 

And that turned out to be a very good choice as a result of we really pivoted and we began constructing a massively scalable Software program-as-a-Service instrument out of it which is quick ahead a few years, right here we’re with SEON. We’re Collection B funded earlier this 12 months, we’re 300 full-time workers so it’s been an enormous journey, it’s been quite a lot of enjoyable.

Peter: What’s your geographic footprint? I feel we bought to know you once you have been in Europe, however I do know now that you just’re within the US, like the place are you working?

Bence: So, initially we began out constructing our core group in Hungary after which we realized Hungary is a small nation, engineering expertise pool was nice, however in relation to let’s say bringing onboard a chief industrial officer we’re going to have a tough time discovering any person both from the fraud prevention world with a background having seen fraud and several types of fraud and funds and so forth. 

However, even broader than that, you realize, there’s not many Software program-as-a-Service firms having been constructed out of Hungary, So, initially, we kicked off our UK workplace, we opened it simply earlier than the pandemic hit and now, we’re about 35 full time workers within the UK. That’s the place I’m sitting at really, I’m in our London workplace simply now and I’m transferring over to Austin the place we now have simply over ten group members. I feel nearing 12 full time group members out of the US after which in Jakarta we now have a further 12 group members. So, 250 in Hungary and the remaining worldwide unfold between London, Jakarta, and Austin, Texas.

Peter: Proper. Austin’s turning into a bit increasingly of a fintech hub, it appears, I hear quite a lot of firms which are establishing store there. So, let’s take a step again, I need to simply speak about fraud normally, significantly from a fintech perspective, what are the foremost sorts of fraud that fintech firms actually should be centered on?

Bence: Effectively, for one, we’ve seen loads of identification theft over the previous couple of years. With the wave of COVID, we did see lots of people being phased out of their jobs, dealing with financial hardships and subsequently, I feel, folks have been simply extra susceptible, normally, when it got here to, you realize, phishing scams, cash mill scams. They have been being instructed that have been going to be making use of for a job provide and in actuality, their identities have been being stolen within the background and getting used to open up financial institution accounts of their identify and even register on-line for credit score purposes and so forth. So, I feel we’ve seen loads of identification theft and fraud stemming from that. 

However, aside from that, we’ve seen loads of bank card fraud on the rise as properly. So, COVID in itself fueled customers to turn out to be extra immersed within the digital world than ever earlier than, however on the similar time, we’ve seen a better variety of folks being confronted with the problems of fraud all through this acceleration of fraud so COVID for us has been an accelerant than the rest.

Peter: Proper, okay. So then, what’s it that you just guys do, I do know you’re not going to present away your secret sauce, however how are you detecting fraud?

Bence: Effectively, the humorous factor is I’m comfortable to share our secret sauce, proper.

Peter: Okay, then please do.

Bence: In case you go on our web site, you may register and you may trial it out your self, we’ve bought nothing to cover. In actual fact, I imagine that’s …with the intention to transfer in the direction of a fraud-free world, I really imagine that, you realize, it’s best to have the ability to check out a product earlier than you begin utilizing it. You must perceive the totally fledged characteristic providing and the portfolio of merchandise that you need to use from that particular firm. So should you go on our web site and also you check out the instruments, I feel you’ll shortly notice what units us aside from most fraud prevention suppliers is the truth that from a go-to-market perspective you may really trial out the product by yourself. That’s actually one thing that’s new and most fraud firms don’t enable for that. You may see the pricing mannequin on-line, you may have a look at the API documentation, you may even combine it your self. 

And should you have a look at it from a technological standpoint then what you’ll discover is we’re very centered on knowledge enrichment, on doubling down on knowledge enrichment. And what we imply by that’s there’s all these fraud suppliers on the market who’ve been round for 5, 10, 15 years, ever since on-line fraud has been a factor and so they’ve constructed their product portfolio based mostly on the truth that they’re saying that hey, we’ve seen ten years value of fraud. We all know if an IP deal with or an e-mail deal with has been concerned in a fraudulent transaction 5 years in the past, in order that IP deal with ought to be fraudulent immediately as properly and we’ll inform you that as a result of we now have the largest blacklist that we’ve constructed up on this planet. And so, what we’ve achieved is at day one we don’t have a blacklist of knowledge factors so we stated, what’s it that we are able to discover out a couple of particular e-mail deal with on-line.

You already know, let’s take peter@gmail.com, I’m certain you’ll have some, you realize, Fb profile or an Instagram profile or a minimum of a LinkedIn profile associated to your e-mail deal with and there’s means to truly discover that out, that’s all publicly accessible data, whether or not you’ve that e-mail deal with registered on these numerous social media platforms or whether or not your e-mail deal with has been concerned in any knowledge breaches. And that’s simply our e-mail module damaged right down to a really simplified clarification of what it does, however we do very related issues based mostly on telephone numbers, based mostly on IP addresses, system data and so forth. 

After which lastly, if you concentrate on that, on the one hand we now have these modular options that you need to use by yourself and I feel increasingly firms are transferring in the direction of adapting or desirous to adapt these modular decide & combine options that they like and so they can construct it into their very own stack of fraud prevention instruments. Or, alternatively, we provide this as a packaged product, that does end-to-end fraud safety.  So, I gave you a really lengthy reply, I’m sorry about that.

Peter: No, that’s good.

Bence: Sort out it from a number of views.

Peter: Yeah, yeah, in order that’s actually useful. You talked about knowledge enrichment and also you’re actually looking for as a lot details about, like say a telephone quantity or an e-mail deal with, you might be simply utilizing publicly accessible data, that you just’re not kind of bought any proprietary databases or something?

Bence: Appropriate, it’s all publicly accessible. And the rationale why, I’d emphasize why that’s necessary is, you realize, you could query shopper privateness turning into and privateness consciousness turning into a scorching subject lately. You might query hey, you realize, I put in an e-mail deal with in your system after which impulsively, I can see all this details about my e-mail deal with and also you’re questioning, is that actually authorized, is that effective for us to be that data? And the reply is, sure, as a result of all we’re , we’re not what number of associates do you’ve on Fb as a result of that’s personal data, that will be breaching phrases of service. However seeing whether or not an e-mail deal with is registered on Fb or not is definitely public data and we solely gather public data.

Peter: Proper. I attempted out your instrument earlier than this interview as a result of it’s there in your Dwelling Web page the place you may simply kind in an e-mail deal with and I typed in certainly one of my outdated e-mail addresses. It’s nonetheless related to my LinkedIn and my Twitter and, you realize, I can see that you just’ve bought some data on me and anybody can simply go on and simply really kind in an e-mail deal with and discover out what’s on the market, I suppose. So, query although on all that’s the fraudsters are additionally getting higher and it looks as if you’re very clear which is nice, however clearly the fraudsters are going to be in your web site attempting to form of reverse engineer every part, I imply, how do you form of strategy that?

Bence: That’s an excellent query as a result of….so I recall once I was writing in 2017, after we began engaged on this as a full time undertaking and after elevating some early funds, I used to be really writing our earliest weblog posts and our view with my Co-Founder, Tamas, was at all times to be thought leaders within the trade. As a lot as I don’t like that phrase in itself, we did need to need to convey data that will be helpful for fraud managers, fraud and danger managers.

However then the query is, the extra data you disclose to fraud and danger managers round, you realize, the best way fraudsters are doing fraudulent actions and what they knew as fraud traits are and so forth. How do you steadiness that with like, precisely what you stated, the place fraudsters are researching matters or let’s say any person is a wanna-be fraudster and so they’re simply studying up on hey, how do I turn out to be a fraudster and so they learn certainly one of our articles and weblog posts and so they’re simply going to turn out to be smarter from that data. And funnily sufficient, we really had a case the place one household discovered certainly one of our articles that was centered on fraud traits in a darkish internet discussion board for fraudsters in order that was actually like wow, they do really feel like they’re threatened by us and the data that we’re conveying in order that was fascinating to see. 

However I feel that’s a effective line to steadiness and comparatively onerous to steadiness when your ethos is to democratize what you’re providing, proper, like you realize, make it as simply accessible to as many individuals on the market within the easiest type potential as a result of that’s what’s going to make an influence and drive firms to simply adapt your fraud instruments and allow them to truly cease unhealthy habits, unhealthy shopper habits. That’s been an ongoing debate internally for a really very long time, however, up to now, we’ve tailored to virtually be that, not an open supply precisely, however going the path of constructing as many issues accessible and not using a barrier as a result of we imagine that’s the appropriate solution to go about it.

Peter: Proper, proper. So then, what about just like the fraudsters now are getting extra subtle and so they’ll create an e-mail deal with, they’ll create a number of social media profiles to make it look an actual deal with. Generally they’ll spend a few years earlier than they do something to pounce with that identification, when are you able to inform or how do inform {that a} artificial identification has been created purely for fraud versus somebody who’s simply getting on-line for the primary time and they’re an upstanding citizen?

Bence: Excellent news is fraudsters are typically lazy folks (Peter laughs) and there’s additionally just like the extra effort they should put in, the extra they’re consuming into their very own margins of doing enterprise, proper. So, in the event that they should, let’s say they should create e-mail addresses after which park them for years earlier than they’ll really begin doing fraudulent exercise for them, there’s the danger that by a 12 months later, like say 12 months out, by the point they might begin using that e-mail deal with, fraud traits have modified and fraud prevention instruments have developed and the loophole is not going to work. So, fraudsters, they often go for brief time period acquire over long run positive aspects, that’s like a truth and so they attempt to do issues by the mass, as in they’ll arrange 100 e-mail addresses a day, they’ll attempt to create 100 faux accounts out of that and register it and if one thing doesn’t work it’s like 30 of those accounts fall out then they’ll have 70 remaining. 

So the purpose I’m making is they begin with the mass after which they attempt to like work out what works, what doesn’t work after which ultimately they’ll have 5 working accounts out of 100 and so they’ve efficiently, you realize, I don’t know made a thousand bucks throughout that day and so they’re comfortable and so they do this tomorrow and the day after and the day after. So, what I’d say is that makes our job straightforward as a result of in the event that they take that stance and that’s the best way they work and that’s what works for them then our job is straightforward as a result of meaning which you could differentiate, based mostly on a few of these patterns you may differentiate what an actual shopper seems to be like and what a faux one seems to be like, only one that wish to appear actual. 

And so, that’s why I’d say sure, fraudsters are one step forward, however kind of patching the loopholes at all times makes their life onerous and so they don’t play the lengthy sport, they often play the brief sport and hopefully, you realize, I do imagine in a world in the future after we can repair every part and we could have a great way of life with none dishonest actions in any respect. (Peter laughs)

Peter: That may be an incredible factor, however it could be just a little idealistic. You talked about it earlier than, like a fraud-free world, would that imply that nobody’s attempting fraud or that each one fraud is being caught?

Bence: Effectively, I’d say all fraud is being caught as a result of if nobody’s attempting fraud then I’m going to exit of enterprise. (each chortle)

Peter: Effectively, I don’t assume you need to fear, critically, I don’t assume the fraudsters are going to cease, proper. Effectively anyway, let’s transfer on, I need to contact on account takeover fraud. That is one thing that I’ve been studying a couple of bit recently, are you able to clarify what it’s, the way it occurs and, you realize, what firms can do to guard themselves.

Bence: I’ll offer you a easy instance.

Peter: Okay,

Bence: Truly, I lately had a pal, it was very subtle. I had a pal who was the sufferer of account takeover. That is like so near me as a result of he defined it to me and we all know one other individual that bought scammed by it only recently. So, in Hungary there’s really folks calling up on a regular basis folks on the telephone so the caller is impersonating themself to be a financial institution, a employee of a financial institution and the quantity checks out. So, the quantity is the financial institution’s quantity, there’s an emulator which they use, it’s voice over IP, you may simply do this, such as you or I we may very well be utilizing anyone’s quantity to name one other individual. They name up and so they say there’s some fascinating transactions going out of your account so we now have to get into your accounts and we now have to take your cash there and switch it to love a security account the place till we examine these fascinating transactions we’re simply going to maintain that cash there, like safely.

After which folks fall for it, you realize, they go on, they speak a few minutes about like what these transactions appear like and psychologically you’re like oh God is that this actually occurring to me after which they attempt to get into your on-line financial institution accounts. Generally, my pal really, he was not good sufficient and he submitted his…..he bought a two-step verification SMS and he submitted the code to this individual whereas they have been speaking on the telephone, the individual logged into their checking account in order that’s account takeover proper there. Now, they’re in your account and so they began transferring the funds, he had all his cash in {dollars} and in Hungary we use forints in order that they began changing the cash to forints in order that they may wire it out altogether. And after they have been attempting to wire out, it was about $20,000 value of money, they have been attempting to wire it out and that’s when the financial institution system caught that one thing’s happening, you realize, like one thing’s not proper. 

In all probability, I suppose, if I’m considering from an architectural perspective of a fraud stack, it was in all probability a mix of like uncommon log in exercise from an uncommon IP deal with and a tool that you wouldn’t usually use, in the meantime, you’re doing a number of conversions from one foreign money to a different and you then’re attempting to ship all of that cash out in bulk to an account which you’ve by no means despatched cash to. If I’m considering like fraud guidelines that’s what would occur within the background and that’s in all probability how their system caught it. So, fortunately, he was not the sufferer of this, however I do know different folks which were the sufferer of companies like a Hungarian, like lately. 

This has been a fraud situation occurring in Hungary, that’s a traditional case of account takeover, however they’ll do it through phishing emails and no matter, you realize, they might appear, like they ship you an e-mail, it looks as if it’s your PayPal account otherwise you’re resulting from pay your, I don’t know, your payments after which in actuality it’s not even that firm that will be sending that e-mail and it’s only a phishing rip-off and also you submit your particulars and so they steal your account principally, yeah.

Peter: Obtained it, okay. Who’re you working with, are you able to give us among the names and the sorts of firms which are utilizing SEON.

Bence: One which I’m actually pleased with and doubtless many individuals know is Revolut, I’m very pleased with successful that identify over. We’re working with Nubank from the Latin American area who I’m very pleased with, once more, working with Patreon from the US, simply to call a non-fintech participant as properly. Yeah, so a few massive names from our portfolio that I’m actually proud to have gained over, particularly seeing that I used to be early on I used to be really doing the majority of the gross sales, I used to be working our income operations up till the a million annual recurring income. Then Jimmy Fong, our Chief Industrial Officer got here in and took cowl and he’s doing a a lot better job at it than I ever was, however, yeah, there’s a few massive names and I’m very pleased with them.

Peter: Do you additionally work with banks or is it primarily, you realize, non-banks?

Bence: Neobanks, I ought to say, so Nubank and Revolut, they’re each nice examples of like the brand new wave of banking, I’d say.

Peter: Okay. So then, are you able to clarify the enterprise mannequin, is it a SaaS-based mannequin, is it the variety of API calls, how do you form of make cash?

Bence: Positive. It’s purely usage-based. So, let’s say you’re an organization and you’ve got 10,000 registrations a month that you just’d like us to observe or 10,000 transactions a month that you just’d like us to observe, it doesn’t actually make a distinction. It must be an internet level of authentication, proper, so someplace the place we are able to really see a telephone quantity or an e-mail deal with or a tool or an IP. And  at that time, you combine our API, we begin monitoring these transactions or registrations or log ins and on the finish of the month, based mostly in your utilization, we might ship you a invoice with the given quantity and the given unit price, the upper the quantity, the decrease the unit price goes. 

That’s purely usage-based, finish of the month, we don’t lock you into any yearly contract or something to that extent, there’s 30 days discover so it’s very like a Netflix account from a enterprise mannequin perspective as in you may step in or step out anytime. If you wish to combine it, you may combine it in the midst of the night time with none gross sales contact level, however if you wish to speak to our gross sales group, we’re more than pleased to, you realize, lead you thru our demos and offer you schooling round the best way to use the system and what it’s greatest for.

Peter: Proper. So, that’s the way you’re capable of give it away without spending a dime, like there’s a most utilization that you just give away without spending a dime, proper?

Bence: Appropriate.

Peter: Okay, okay, that is sensible. So then, I’d wish to get your sense of the battle that we’re having. We touched on this earlier, however I simply need to get a way from you, like clearly there’s nonetheless fraud occurring, you stated the fraudsters are lazy which is sweet, but it surely looks as if it ebbs and flows. Everyone knows about knowledge breaches and the way a lot data is on the market on the darkish internet, however the place would you say we’re at immediately in relation to the battle with fraudsters?

Bence: Hah, that’s an incredible query. The rationale why I give it some thought is as a result of now that you just requested me that, I used to be attempting to assume like the place have been we again after we began like let’s say 2016, 2017, 2018, like have I seen something change. And I feel the foremost factor that I’ve seen evolve is the best way that fraudsters are working as in like methods that they adapt as a result of like I stated earlier than, they at all times have to search out new loopholes which are being patched up. So, that’s a method that one thing that labored 5 years in the past might be not going to work immediately, and that’s form of stating the apparent as a result of 5 years in the past no firms had adopted telephone quantity evaluation to the extent the place they’re adopting it immediately as a result of clearly we’re offering such a instrument and there’s not many different suppliers on the market. 

What I’m enthusiastic about is, like one factor I need to say is I don’t imagine in us being the final word instrument that’s going to resolve your issues on this planet in relation to fraud prevention. What I do assume, should you’re a profitable enterprise and also you’re coping with fraud, the best way try to be occupied with it’s, like there’s many options on the market, how do I apply a multi-stack strategy and the way do I holistically check out my consumer expertise, my onboarding journey, and the place do I match the appropriate fraud prevention instruments in there. So, let’s say, you realize, use one thing frictionless like our answer on the level of registration after which on the level of transaction or, I don’t know, placing in cash should you’re a pockets, let’s say you’re a crypto pockets otherwise you’re Revolut, on the level of importing cash into the accounts then, you realize, have ID verification or on the level of withdrawal have ID verification. 

It additionally relies on the regulatory facet of issues as properly and within the meantime, apply one thing like, you realize, two-factor authentication and you may throw issues in there to spice it up. However the level I’m attempting to make is as I take into consideration fraud and fraud prevention immediately, you’ve essentially the most accessible expertise than ever earlier than so it’s best to make use of it as an organization. And if we’re trying on the fraudster facet of issues, they’re lazy, however they’re getting smarter, I feel it’s simpler than ever for them to share data with each other as a result of with crypto currencies we’re enabling them to alternate items and providers anonymously. With the world of Tor and Telegram and VPN and Proxy, we’re enabling them to just about keep nameless behind that display so I feel fraudsters are undoubtedly in a superb place, however fraud prevention suppliers are additionally evolving and companies are in a superb place as properly.

Peter:  Okay. So then, that simply brings up one other level. It looks as if your instruments are all within the background, they’re all invisible to the consumer so there’s no friction in any respect in utilizing your instruments. So, when somebody sorts in they is likely to be opening up a brand new account, they’ll kind in a complete bunch of knowledge after which they’ll hit enter and in that second you’re going off doing all of your instruments. After which, are you simply giving again a rating, are you giving again sure, it is a seemingly fraudster, what are you offering for the consumer, for the client that can assist them know that they need to take extra motion right here?

Bence: Yeah, you’re completely right in the truth that the client doesn’t really feel that they’re being monitored, it’s invisible. You already know, they might be submitting that data anyway, it’s not such as you’re importing an ID the place you really should take a selfie and an image of your ID and you then’ve bought to attend a minute till it’s accepted, that doesn’t occur. Our system runs down in a second or much less after which the query is, how does the corporate eat that data, how does the enterprise know whether or not I ought to approve any person based mostly on that or not and there’s ….I level to that area, however there’s two main methods of utilizing our instrument, both you simply depend on these modular APIs the place you need to make higher choices or you could use the info based mostly on the e-mail deal with or a telephone quantity and also you simply need to have a look at the uncooked knowledge, as in like, is that this e-mail deal with registered on Fb, LinkedIn, true or false and lots of different social platforms after which, I, as a enterprise, I’ll determine what I do based mostly on that uncooked knowledge. 

The opposite excessive is we now have the entire end-to-end answer and we offer you a fraud rating and you may even set off these guidelines in our system and we are going to really get you an accepted assessment or decline state as soon as the transactions run by our system. That basically relies on the use case and the corporate and the best way they need to use it. The larger the enterprise, the extra they simply depend on uncooked knowledge and so they need to deal with every part on their very own finish. And I’d say SMBs, they might deal with simply adopting the entire instrument development too and counting on our fraud module in itself.

Peter: Proper, bought it, okay. Are fraud makes an attempt growing? I’m occupied with the financial cycle and the truth that we’re not in a recession but, a minimum of right here within the US, however does fraud comply with financial cycles, is there extra fraud when occasions are powerful?

Bence: Yeah. There undoubtedly is as a result of it’s simpler to trick folks, proper. So, let’s say you simply misplaced your job, perhaps you’re making use of for some social welfare, you get an e-mail about it, you submit your social safety quantity there, you add your ID and also you notice it’s faux, any person simply stole your data. Or, let’s say you see a job software coming your means and you then really undergo the interview course of after which they…we’ve heard of instances the place they use that particular video, you realize, on the finish of the video they might say like oh, please, now we’ve bought to confirm it’s actually you so maintain out your ID subsequent to you, flip your head left and proper.

After which they might use that video to open a checking account in your identify with a digital financial institution, for instance, after which they might use that for cash laundering and so forth. Actually loopy the best way to the extent that fraudsters take this and actually the issues they’ve come up through the years, however, yeah, I undoubtedly assume that when there’s financial hardship, when there’s cycles of a downturn, we’re going to see extra folks susceptible, extra folks being the victims of fraud.

Peter: Proper, proper, okay. So then, final query. What’s on faucet for SEON in 2023?

Bence: 2023, from this level on, I ought to say, we’re specializing in diversifying our product portfolio and knowledge enrichment. We’ve been very strongly centered on constructing out our core merchandise based mostly on this and so we’re simply going so as to add further options, certainly one of them being that we’re going to be launching quickly is targeted on anti-money laundering and kind of screening the PEPs and sanctions lists, in order that’s one side of the enterprise that we’re strongly specializing in proper now. Having a look on the present world local weather, there’s a increased and better want from companies to have the ability to display this. 

What we’re doing, based mostly on knowledge shopper evaluation immediately, we expect that may simply be utilized for really analyzing companies opening up on-line accounts as properly so we’re going to be creating a product centered on that later down the road. I don’t need to spill any extra beans round it, that’s actually a secret sauce. Our key focus for this 12 months and the approaching years is releasing extra merchandise with the deal with what we’ve been doing, up to now, which has labored very well for us. We’ve scaled actually shortly, we’ve gained nice companies over so now we’re specializing in diversifying our product portfolio and releasing extra merchandise round what we’re doing already.

Peter: Okay. We’ll have to go away it there, Bence, thanks very a lot for approaching the present. You’re doing good work right here and it’s necessary work as we at all times attempt to keep one step forward of the fraudsters so thanks once more.

Bence: Effectively, thanks for having me, it was nice speaking to you.

Peter: You already know, it struck me in speaking to Bence there that whereas the instruments are important for fintechs, banks, anybody within the monetary area to have essentially the most strong set of anti-fraud instruments that cash can purchase, I really feel like that’s important, but it surely’s the one piece of the puzzle as Bence shared there, like individuals are getting telephone calls from firms they know, they’re getting emails clearly on a regular basis. 

It simply jogged my memory that as a shopper, we now have to be vigilant, we now have to guarantee that we’re not falling to scams. Anytime somebody’s asking for private data, anytime, whether or not it it’s a telephone name or e-mail or what have you ever, you simply should be 100% sure, you need to be extraordinarily cautious. That’s, I feel, the one means that we’re actually going to ever beat the fraudsters is that if everybody is a little more vigilant and clearly instruments like SEON are going to get higher and higher as properly.

Anyway on that be aware, I’ll log out. I very a lot respect your listening and I’ll catch you subsequent time, Bye.

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